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Shape of breast muscles?
Ok, I havent been working out for over 10 years so now I've just go man boobs, but still:
my pecs have always been thick'ish at the outside and pretty much non existing on the inside (where they meet, that is).
No matter what exercise I've tried, I was unable to feel contact with the inner part of my pecs.
A few days ago I tried some pushups for the first time after the nuss op.
And it felt way different!, I could feel the whole pec contracting.
Is that common after nuss,or any other PE fix ?
Is it easier to develop full pecs post op than pre op?
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I would imagine its easier to develop the whole muscle after the Nuss, take it easy mind.
My outer pecs have always been pretty build, only recently the middle of my chest is starting to build muscle (probably because I dont carry much
weight there  ) (I have severe PE by the way)
From what I've seen, people seem to develop muscle much better after the Nuss.
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well since i have been a gym rat for more then 12 years and the fact i have PE . i can tell you that there is no way it can feel the same. US PE
people can simply not hit the middle of the chest (physiologicaly impossibe). That being said its not really the middle or inside of the chest. Let me
explain , having had to fight PE at the gym my entire life made me really dig into the anatomy of chest muscles. there is no such thing as a middle
chest or a inside chest. the chest muscles are split into 2 categories upper and lower thats it everything else is b.s made up by people. you cannot
work out the inner part of the chest because it is attached to either the lower or upper half of the chest it does not lie alone.
it would not suprise me one bit that following surgery you would be able to "hit" the entire lower and upper part of the chest.
good luck and keep fighting
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Im 18, Ive recently started doing press ups again after a bit of a break. I have noticed on the top inside part of my left pec, there is no or very
little muscle where as on the other side, there is obviously muscle. Is this to do with PE?
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When I used to lift weights it was at a time when I didn't know anything about nutrition. When I started lifting, the only thing I knew about
nutrition was that saturated fat was bad - lol. I knew nothing about calorie intake, macronutrient ratios, meal frequency, supplements, intensity
techniques in workouts, etc.
Despite that, I still managed to gain a little muscle. My PE is really towards my right pec area and whats weird is I can see what looks like muscle
in the dent. Sometimes I think if I built more muscle I could cover up most of the hole.
At Jonsp,
There is some kind of connective tissue disorder that is sometimes associated with PE that causes one side of the body to have underdeveloped muscles.
Some people with PE have this disorder and other people with PE don't.
Also, I have one question for you guys: has anyone been medically cleared by a physician on whether or not people with PE can lift weights?
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Ah right. Thanks for that. It doesnt bother me too much, so it's alright.
Your question. I dont know, I havent had mine properly checked out. When I went to the doctors, he didnt seem to know anything about PE. He went on
wikipedia and then told me I would grow out of it...
A lot of people with PE do lift weights though dont they?
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My doctors have never known much about PE, but they were certain that lifting weights was ok.
Also, now that I had my nuss done, I can almost immediately see the muscle building up and towards the middle area it is there now! Before I had a
severe dent, so I could only see muscle outside too. It's exciting 
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nrigali,
Thanks for the post. The reason I asked is because I read on some fitness websites that the heart enlarges during exercise and that got me thinking
that people with moderate/severe PE might not have room to spare due to the dent.
Also, on bodybuilding.com, there is an article about how to target all the muscles at once with certain exercises, whether its the back, the chest,
etc. Do compound exercises instead of isolation exercises.
Compound exercises are exercises that involve more than one muscle. Example: if you are working the chest then you would do an exercise that targets
all the muscles in the chest, such as the bench press. A compound exercise for the back would be pull ups and a compound exercise for the legs would
be squats.
Isolation exercises are exercises that only work one muscle. An example would be the triceps extension or the leg extension. These exercises are out
because they don't work all the muscles in the arms or legs at the same time.
According to some fitness trainers who write articles on bodybuilding.com, you will see greater gains with compound exercises than with isolation
exercises.
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kind of drives me crazy when i read about muscle growth from exercise articles. i have been working out for 12 years. I have been really ripped 5% bf
and let myself go a little too 20% b/f . i can tell you 70% of the game is nutrition and has and the rest can split up into exercise , rest . In all
honesty greater gains will not be made due to compound exercises, greater gains are made from a good diet and a rigorous workout program that is
focused on both muscularity and cardio vascular work outs.
PE will 100% effect growth in certain areas of the chest due to the inability of the muscle to contract fully in certain areas.
if you want a normal looking chest with PE you are out of luck. If you think exercise will fix your PE you are dreaming!!! it is not going to happen
your chest wall cavity is deformed you dont fix that with weights!!! i know i have tried for 12 years, i managed to really lessen the look of PE but
the only way to kill PE is surgery.I have not had surgery but if you are trying to get rid of pe through exercise i can tell you first hand NEVER
GOING TO HAPPEN
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I had exactly that same issue before my surgery. My pec muscles were just kind of like a strip down the sides with no development in the middle no
matter what I did. But since my surgery I have started to get some development of the middle part. I agree with sungod that the way the muscles fall
into the cavity in the bone structure prevents exercise from stimulating it.
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Roggan u are 34 and doing push ups 3 weeks after nuss surgery?
You are quickly becoming the fastest oldie nuss recoverer I ever known!!
Nussed in the UK (NHS) on May 21st 2010 by Hans Pilegaard at the Royal Devon & Exeter Hospital.
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sungod,
I agree with you're point that nutrition is 70% of the game. I forgot to mention that the whole compound exercise rant I did was just one out of many
intensity training techniques for advanced lifters after they have hit a plateau with their physiques.
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I also agree about the diet. Currently, because I'm a skinny guy and I want to bulk up, my diet consists of 5000+ calories a day (most of which is
healthy food but at this point even some fat is ok for me), 250+ grams of protein per day. I take a protein shake every morning with my first of 6-7
meals, and a shake after every workout. I gained 10 lbs in the last 2 weeks with this diet and 4 workouts per week, putting me a little above the
weight I was at before surgery.
I hope to put on another 10 pounds of mass before I start changing my diet to a more lean diet. Anyways, what I've always been told by my dad and his
friend who used to be bodybuilders is that doing things like compound exercises with heavier weights and lower reps will help you bulk up, while
isolation exercises with lighter weights and more reps will cut you up.
Any input about that would be cool!
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exercise will not bulk you up food will!!! exercise is one element in a complicated balancing act to physical fitness. i can tell you i am 100 sure
you can bulk up without lifting weights. Scientific studies have shown that there is mathematical formula to lose and gain weight and it is quite
simple you must first calculate how many calories you burn in a day without exercise and then how many with exercise. Then you have to either take
more then what you burn if you want to gain weight and less if you want to lose weight. I am not inventing this stuff !!! this is doctors and
scientists. BiGGEST MISTAKE PEOPLE MAKE IS TO SAY GO TO THE GYM TO LOSE OR GAIN WEIGHT!! the gym is to keep you healthy and active not to lose or
gain weight.
The gym should be part of a system with proper diet and rest to gain physical fitness and muscularity. More so scientists have proved that the human
body can only gain 2-5 lbs a year in lean muscle mass. Rome definitely wasn't built in a day!! Of course there is ways around that as well such as
steroids and pro hormones but thats a topic for another day.
my point is that exercise does not fix anything alone you MUST combine it with a healthy dies that is based on science and not what your friend or
"the trainer " told you. I really feel if i didnt have PE i would have been able to compete i have great genetics everywhere except my chest. My
obsession of trying to fix my chest led me to do many stupid things!! the one good thing is it led me here where i learned and still learning about
PE and its effects. I have studied 100's of photos extensively and its remarkable how the lack of what is refereed to as inner chest (its actually
upper and lower of the chest there is no middle). I have not conducted a study or referred to medical journal but i can say using myself as example
that PE is not a gym issue and that inner chest growth is not possible due to the inability to "hit" the muscle fibres in that area.
If you want a perfect chest and you have PE you are best to look at surgical options because exercise , acupuncture, steroids, oils (synthol) and any
combination will not solve the problem.
i know i am being gloomy but its because i don't want guys being like me for 12 years busting there ass and taking anything they can find to solve a
problem that is not muscular its a deformity. PE does not keep all from being healthy i have been able to play high level sports and have been
athlete my entire life with PE. But if you want to have a perfect chest forget it
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nrigali,
Thanks for the post. The reason I asked is because I read on some fitness websites that the heart enlarges during exercise and that got me thinking
that people with moderate/severe PE might not have room to spare due to the dent.
Also, on bodybuilding.com, there is an article about how to target all the muscles at once with certain exercises, whether its the back, the chest,
etc. Do compound exercises instead of isolation exercises.
Compound exercises are exercises that involve more than one muscle. Example: if you are working the chest then you would do an exercise that targets
all the muscles in the chest, such as the bench press. A compound exercise for the back would be pull ups and a compound exercise for the legs would
be squats.
Isolation exercises are exercises that only work one muscle. An example would be the triceps extension or the leg extension. These exercises are out
because they don't work all the muscles in the arms or legs at the same time.
According to some fitness trainers who write articles on bodybuilding.com, you will see greater gains with compound exercises than with isolation
exercises. |
Your exercise program should be a blend of both isolation and compound. Not just one. Also Cardio is a must!!
well, just taking one day at a time and Praying our Great Country "Gets Back On It's Feet"
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| Quote: Originally posted by edgey | I had exactly that same issue before my surgery. My pec muscles were just kind of like a strip down the sides with no development in the middle no
matter what I did. But since my surgery I have started to get some development of the middle part. I agree with sungod that the way the muscles fall
into the cavity in the bone structure prevents exercise from stimulating it.
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Edgey and Sungod, Iwould suggest something different from your suggestions. For those who train extremely hard with correct technique, form and
intensity who also have PE. The inner section of the peck muscle is present. It grows ACCORDING TO YOUR TRAINING TECHNIQUES. However, a major bummer
is although the muscles is present, it is difficult to see because it is sitting on top and along side a concaved, sinking foundation, The PE
depression, The Dent. Does that make sense?? Now, following Nuss many of us will train or ASS off to develop a chest, we will train harder than ever
in our life with the slightest result now visible, encouraging us to train more with more intensity. It is a snow ball effect.
Upper and lower peck is all we have to work with, yet let me tell you that with intense searching to find a way to hit the inside ridge of the peck,
you can find a way. Let me say that in most cases of the flat and incline bench, the outer sides suffer most of the impact of the FULL movement. There
is a small portion of the movement where much of the stress is placed on the inner chest ridge. WHERE IS THIS PORTION OF THE MOVEMENT?? WHERE CAN ONE
MOVE THE BAR TO MAXIMIZE THE PECK INNER RIDGE?? Where this part of the movement is located must be coupled with the correct weight so your peck can be
stressed and you can move through this portion many times during one set and not drop the weight on your self. Wowwww???
Here is my best answer. First the portion of the bench motion to place the most stress on the inner ridge of the peck muscle would be the 3" following
the turn-around on the positive. This means, the 3" of space between your chest and 3" above your chest. It is a small window of range where max
stress is applied to the middle or ridge line. NOW LISTEN....you CAN NOT train chest heavy to get this benefit. This is not a POWER MAN exercise. This
is sculpting movement where most guys fail to understand. you must choose a weight where you can get a good 15 -18 reps with 100% perfect form for 4
sets. This little explanation is only the tip of the Titanic for developing that cool peck ridge. Just give this 1 or 2 work outs and watch the inner
pump and the feeling of the inner peck being torn off the sternal tie-ends. Go for it and get the results you want.
Oh yah the results will really only show for Dent-Free guys yet PE sufferers should practice this form of training simply to develop inner ridge peck
muscles only to be seen following Nuss.
Randy
well, just taking one day at a time and Praying our Great Country "Gets Back On It's Feet"
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Randy, you should make a workout video 
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I actually have pecs now! Look! theyre little but theyre there!
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What you are referring to are the shape of the muscles regardless of how big they are. Also, Randy expanded on my point of how you can target certain
parts of a muscle with certain exercises. I think people aren't understanding what I'm trying to say when it comes to exercise. Yes, nutrition is
80-90% of the game, but what most beginners make the mistake of doing is that they do the same workout over and over. You have to have perfect
nutrition and constantly change the workout up so the body doesn't adapt. If you don't constantly change the workout (i.e. supersets, forced reps,
pyramid building, number of sets, number of reps, 1 max. rep overload, etc.) then the body adapts and you eventually hit a plateau even if you're
eating habits are top notch.
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Back in the days when I was workingout, I had problems with seriously overgrown deltoids.
is that common with PE?
I imagine that since the pecs had to work in a strange angle, I compensated by activating my delts?
Is that possible?
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Whenever you are working out, if you don't do an exercise properly, such as the bench press, you could end up developing the wrong muscle group, such
as the deltoids. I read an article about this on bodybuilding.com a few months ago and it made sense to me.
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nrigali, that's excellent news for me. I have the same issue where my outer chest is more developed than the inner chest and hearing your chest is now
developing faster towards the middle after surgery is great. Your chest is looking great, keep it up.
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| Quote: Originally posted by AVS262 | | nrigali, that's excellent news for me. I have the same issue where my outer chest is more developed than the inner chest and hearing your chest is now
developing faster towards the middle after surgery is great. Your chest is looking great, keep it up. |
Yea, havign a dent makes it really tough to see any muscle towards the middle of the chest, cuz its down inside the dent! Now having a flat chest,
the muscle is right where its supposed to be and its forming nicely. I've only been in the gym for 3 or 4 weeks now, but in another year or two it
should look pretty good!
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